tv Washington Journal Representative Mark Pocan D-WI CSPAN March 17, 2017 1:58am-2:29am EDT
washington journal live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. join the discussion. ♪ theongressman mark pocan is vice chair of the progressives caucus. he talked about the budget propos. from washington journal, this is 20 minutes. "washington journal" continues. host: joining us now, representative marco can --mark pocan. the congressional progressive caucus first vice chair. good morning. guest: good morning. host: the house budget committee 's meeting on the republicans budget. what are the questions that need to be asked on the financial side? guest: i still wonder why they are even calling it health care. after the cbo score, clearly this is a bill that cuts taxes on the wealthiest americans and
has a little bit of a side of that 24are and we found million people are eventually going to lose health care access to the bill, everyone else will a more. this is a dismal failure. i think this was intended to revise really big tax cuts for the top 1% and they packaged it as a health care proposal. that you were going to make the health care situation worse for working americans across the country and that what this is really about is providing giant breaks. host: what about the criticisms of the cbo score as a relates to obamacare and the arguments from republicans? if so many were supposed to be enrolled under the cbo, we saw fewer than that. guest: that is because there were multiple changes, like wisconsin, who decided not to expand medicare. that is possibly why the enrollment numbers were different and some other provisions. that is a real long sequiturs. it is not a real argument.
the cbo is our nonpartisan scoring agency. said 24 million people. they said that was a leaked white house memo. bottom line is tens of millions of people are going to lose access to health care under what is supposedly a health care bill that does not make any sense. only in the beltway with that make any sense. in wisconsin in the upper midwest, it certainly makes no sense. host: one of the arguments is that obamacare will eventually collapse on itself? do you buy that argument? guest: they are doing everything they can to try to make it collapse on itself. there are things you can easily improve, one of the things we have been saying all along. the provisions put in by marco rubio have been detrimental. let's go in and fix the provisions. the bottom line is that it is now understood by the vast majority of americans, i think, that if you are sick or have a pre-existing condition, you should have access to health care. you should have no lifetime cap on the health care
you need. women should be paying the same as men. you can stay on your parents plan until you are 26. these are things that people understand we have to have. when the affordable care act, the changes we need to make to improve that, but if you look at what the republicans are trying to do, they are taking away revenue sources so they can't provide health care and fewer americans have access to health care. older americans are going to pay five times more. it is just a terrible plan overall and i think it is going to fail. host: do you think it will make it through the house budget committee? guest: i think they are going to try to get it through the house. if they try to do this, i think paul ryan's credentials have just hit the rock-bottom. no one expects this to be a real proposal in the end because it is so bad. if they continue to push these huge cuts on americans, i guarantee, people are calling us about this.
they realize they are losing their health care. they have got to be getting those calls. it is a devastating plan. host: (202) 748-8000, democrats. (202) 748-8001, republicans. (202) 748-8002, independents. our guest joining us to talk about health care and other issues, as well. you can tweet us questions or comments. you mentioned the risk corridors as something to fix. where could democrats and republicans come together? guest: when i talk to people who run insurance companies, who used to provide, one company was stepping out for a year, it is just the actuarial side. when more healthy people did not sign up, like they were thought to be by the way the bill was written, that is one of the easy things you got to do right there. you have to make sure it works. the bottom line is we realized 20 million people realized they needed health care and signed up for this and that is the way it should be.
you should have access. you should not have to go bankrupt because you are sick. if you took care of the risk quarter problem and a few other things, you can do all of the other things. making sure women are paying the same as men. making sure there is not a lifetime cap. what you really have now is health insurance. previously, we had profit share insurance. you did not have health care for your family. why throw that out in order to give giant tax cuts to the wealthiest in this country? the people who happened upon a -- happened to fund a lot of republican campaigns. host: the first call is from don on the democrats line. golden valley, arizona. caller: yes, my mother recently went into a long-term care facility in ohio and they take her whole social security check. plus, she gets help from the
medicaid program. i'm in arizona and i'm in my late 60's. my wife has dementia. there is no way i could care for my mother. if they cut back on this medicaid, i don't know what is going to happen. i'm totally against this thing. that is my comment. guest: i hear you, don. i think that is the feeling across the country. medicaid is one of those safety nets for folks to make sure we have health insurance for those who need it the most, who don't have the ability to be able to afford it. if you cut back on that significantly, you will affect people throughout the country. that is why we are seeing a lot of republican senators saying it is going to affect too many of their constituents in a negative way and that it does not address health care. this is a tax cut to the wealthy disguised as health care, with a little side of health care. the reality is that we are taking away health care from people with this bill, which is
not what we should be doing. i agree that the cuts on medicaid are unconscionable. they affect people across the spectrum. host: randy, go ahead. caller: two comments. one, i don't hear the outrage about the age with the health care. i'm older. i'm 56. i should do more for health care. we use it more. we don't have a problem with charging young kids a lot more money for automobile insurance because the risk is high. i don't see the difference. i would like to hear your comment on that one. guest: randy? the thing i'm trying to express is what we are seeing from the cbo score is people who don't have the money to afford the insurance are going to have dropped coverage. that is the problem you're going to have. if you are charging people who are older americans more for the insurance and they don't have the ability to pay, at least with the affordable care act, there were subsidies to help them get this done, but the cbo is saying these people are not going to have health insurance now. which means you and i are going
to pay for that if they have to go to the emergency room and that is not a real health care solution. that is going back to the old days of health care crisis. i don't think it is fair to say that someone who has worked their entire life, paid into our various systems of government, paid their taxes and now they are older and they need health care, but they can't afford to, too bad, so sad is not a rallying cry for health care in this country. host: new orleans, brian, you are next. independent line. caller: hi, sir. mr. pocan, thank you for your fight. i'm in louisiana. we have a lot of the same issues. republican governor. last as far as health care. you are right about the expansion. there was a fight. i follow the politics in your state. y'all are on the front lines of this thing. i'm glad that y'all are fighting
for the unions, people who work. i just wanted to call and thank you. guest: my attitude is that people should be talking about what they talk about around their dinner tables. we've got to make sure we are protecting the jobs we have in the united states. make sure that people have good paying jobs. can they afford their mortgage? can they send their kids to college? have a ticket family vacation that year? it was a middle class luxury to get a camper or snowmobile where i grew up. if you take a look at the health care proposal or you look at this budget introduce this morning by donald trump where he is submitting programs that affect real people, slashing
them by 10%, 20%, 30%. epa is our clean air and water. we saw what happened in flint, michigan. we've got to fight for the middle class in every possible turn. special interests have plenty of lobbyists in the town. what we don't have is enough people speaking out on behalf of the middle class. i think that is why we are elected. thank you, brian. host: the budget is out. what do you think about the higher shift toward defense, veterans affairs, homeland security and to pay for that, these cuts to other programs? guest: there is a lot of that in the budget just introduce this morning. i serve on the appropriations committee, so i will hopefully have a chance to have a little bit more in-depth dive into these issues. you are cutting pell grants by $4 billion. that helps low income people who may not now be able to go to college. i got pell grants. i grew up in a poor -- lower middle-class family. i'm going to fight as hard as i can to make sure that we are supporting programs like that. $6 billion to nih. congress put additional money into helping find medical cures
that save lives and now they want to cut $6 billion. they are cutting programs like meals on wheels. i've gone and helped deliver meals to seniors and others. that would be a devastating cut to people like that. my mom is 88 years old. she can barely leave the house. that is people across the country. what did big bird ever due to this administration? i don't know, but these are the things that real people are impacted by. but then we are going to have money to build a wall. and now we seem to be paying for that. now we are going to take more money and put it into some of the other defense and other programs that are all coming out of programs that help real people. that is a big mistake, luckily congress can still impact this budget. it shows the real disconnect in
the campaign trail was promise to people, working families in wisconsin, where president trump one by 22,000 votes and now they are getting a budget and health care that are showing them they are on the side of the road and we are keeping the fast-track lanes for the wealthiest. i think it is a terrible proposal and i'm looking forward to having this debate in congress. host: even with republicans in charge, it is safe to say that the president's numbers will not be the final numbers as far as the budget is concerned. guest: there will be a difficulty. some republicans do want the money going to defense. some have argued for even more money for defense. but the only way you can do it if you are not willing to talk about revenue is to cut programs. it is like an upside down pyramid. if you want more of your, there is going to be more -- less available for everything else. if you are cutting the epa almost 30%, that is things like clean air and clean water. look at flint, michigan. i've been to flint. that is what happens when you don't have government in check around basic necessities. i think everyone thinks their tax dollars should protect things like air and water and yet we are giving devastating cuts to those programs. agriculture, that is a big part
of our economy in wisconsin. these were not the promises made on the campaign trail. i think we are seeing certain people benefits and very few people will benefit from the proposals in the budget. host: the next call is from tennessee, democrats line, evelyn. caller: good morning. i just wanted to say that this bill that they are trying to get through, i think it is based on age instead of income. that way, people that are in low income bracket, they don't pay that much, they don't pay that much taxes and it causes them to have a lot of poor people that don't work or anything. they have to pay -- i mean, the people that work for low income,
they have to pay more and i'm 90 years all and i'm worried about what is going to happen to me because i'm on medicare and i have a lot of health issues and i know they are going to try to do away with the medicaid. but i'm not on that or anything. a lot of children, poor children, poor people depend on that medicaid. they need preventive care instead of just having to wait until they get some dreadful disease and it is too late to do anything about it. host: thanks, evelyn. guest: evelyn, i agree. first, congratulations on being 90. my mom just turned 88. i know the health concerns she is going through and what chunk of the limited money she has is going to things like medications and others. my additional worry is that while right now medicaid is on the table, the republicans in congress have put plans to
voucherize medicare out previously multiple years. we know this is where they want to go and now this will affect you and my mother and other people on medicare. that is one of the programs that is most well-received in the country, making sure you have access to health care after paying into that program your entire life. there are plenty of concerns on that. you are right. peopleon't make sure have preventive care upfront and then you get something that is a serious disease, you can go bankrupt. that was the old days and i thought we moved past that. this is taking us back in the wrong direction. host: from clinton township, michigan, republican line. lorraine. go ahead. caller: thank you for the show. i have two questions. one, i have friends that are lower middle class and their premiums have gone up horribly and their deductible is like $7,000.
when i was a child, if you lived to be 50, that was an old age. i'm 70. 71. i think there is a time when maybe we start cutting back on the care for the elderly, keep them comfortable, let them know there is a life after death, and take the money for the children, and lower the premiums and the cost for the middle class. thank you. guest: lorraine, first of all. one of the things that is important to remember, i've had a small business for 29 years. i often got 20% spikes every single year. when the affordable care act past, we saw the increase in health care cost level law. until the last year, possibly desperately because of these
poison pills -- possibly because of these poison pills, we saw this spike. i'm afraid this proposal is going to go exactly back to having big 20%-40%-plus spikes. that is what we are finding is going to happen if the plan becomes law. ie only thing i think disagree is i don't think someone who has paid in their entire life should suddenly not have things when you are an older american or have to pay that much more than is being proposed by the bill. if you don't have money, you still need health care. you should not be forced out of having health care. i think that would be a mistake. host: let's go to judy. idaho falls, idaho. independent line. caller: thank you. i would like to back off to the really big picture, which is that health care is not an appropriate area for free market forces. you can't shop for an mri when you have a broken leg.
when the paramedics pick you up after a car accident, they take you to a hospital and you are stuck there. also, the person consuming the health care is not the one paying for the health care. and does not even know how much it costs. so, all this talk about free market forces are not applicable because there is no chance to shop for anything. that is all i have to say. thank you. guest: judy, the thing i would add to this is one of the things we should be able to do is negotiate for prescription drugs that were not allowed. when you have volume purchasing power, you can bring the cost of the prescription drugs down. we are not seeing that in the current proposal. it should have been part of the original proposal. it was not allowed by the republicans. this is an area that crosses all party lines. we pay more for prescription drugs than almost any other
country. for the exact same drugs. that is just not right. we can work on the free market a little through negotiating and lowering the cost of drugs. host: our guest is from the appropriations committee, as well as the agriculture committee. we have a news story. the headline says that you said that there is more to come when it comes to investigations into russia. what do you know that we don't? guest: i think there is a lot more coming up on russia. first of all, we know that russia, clearly based on 17 intelligence agencies, said that they intended to and succeeded in interfering with our elections on multiple fronts. a lot of it has been made public. very clearly, we know that they intended to, they intended to elect donald trump president, they succeeded, and now they are in europe trying to do the same thing in other countries. we can't allow it. i don't care where you come from, we can't allow another country to interfere with our elections.
since then, we are finding out all these people from the trump campaign, the trump administration, the secretary -- the attorney general, who he himself said he had no contact. he offered it up under oath and now we find out that he did. the president's son-in-law. what is happening is people really want an independent investigation to get this cleared up once and for all. russia should not be interfering with our elections. there is way too many coincidences of the president saying -- he was saying that for a while. i read that report twice, because there are more things that are going to come out of that. more things are going to come out from some of these independent dossiers and the journalists that are working on it. found out about attorney general sessions lying under over. i am absolutely certain there was more coming up. the best we can do is have an independent investigation with
the special prosecutor to take the politics out of it and a book at this. it would be in the best interest of the white house and congress. we can't second-guess any -- every decision he is going to make, whether or not it is a payback for interference in our elections. we can't let them interfere in our elections period. china ort is russia or luxembourg, no one should be able to interfere with our elections, opal. i think the administration's approach has been horrendously cavalier. -- it is impossible to have that reaction unless there is more. host: is it possible that that's more will come out next week with director: testifying? guest: i think some of it. we need to get real exposure about this. we can't ever allow this to happen again. with cyber security threats,
what they are able to do, where they can do these actions, we don't have the democracy. that is exactly what the russians much to do. they don't want to do, -- democracy to survive. i am's -- and troubled by the trump administration attitude on this. would be for everyone's good to get to the bottom of this. host: from louisiana, dorothy. go ahead. forer: thank you so much being on nobody side. you got some republicans that ,re on the side of the people which is by the people, for the people. the people should have something to do with it. second of all, did anybody take donald trump to school, because he doesn't know nothing about politics. why do we have to go and look it
up on the books to see what decision he made, what he said. he said he was going to tell what he did. he is not the one doing it. it is the people that is behind him. host: thank you, dorothy. ,uest: i think all too often inside the beltway, inside washington dc, there is different thinking than the rest of the country. you have a lot of people like the president to come from extreme privilege. he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. he never had to work as hard as most americans have just to get by. to afford things like health care. i grew up in the lower middle class, so this is what i live through. this is what i understand. my job is to come and do that. i agree. i think donald trump has come here with no experience. every single day, that is reinforced. whether it be the terrible idea on the muslim band that has now
twice been rejected by the courts and what that does for our international relations, or the awful trump care proposal which is really a tax cut for the wealthy. and now, the budget that has been introduced where he is cutting things like our environmental protection agency that protects our air and water with getting more money to defense and taking the way things that middle-class families value and use. it is a terrible proposal. away $4nts, take billion in loans for people who will be the next people finding forrester diseases. now, they can't go to college. and then a $6 million cut for the health fund. that is what we need to be investing in, not in some of the priorities like a wall, a fantasy. host: let's take one more call. mississippi. you are on. caller: i think that our
president trump and other people that don't like him need to crawl under a rock. q works out what he needs to put in there. -- he works out what he needs to put in there. he doesn't need people -- help from people. all the people better not hanging his pictures and the va hospital and stuff need to get around and do right. host: thanks. guest: what i got out of that is when you look at some people that are working with donald, like steve bannon, who is proud to be a white nationalist, this is exactly wrong for our country. i think that he is getting terrible advice from people like steve bannon. on the campaign trial, he plainest middle-class americans he is going to detect jobs.
-- going to protect jobs. now he is taking it away. he is showing his true site, or getting awful advice. us tomark pocan joining talk about the republican health care plan and other topics. think for your time today. guest: thank you. "> c-span's "washington journal live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up friday morning, robert green from the pulling firm. results of the latest survey on scottpreme court, and perry from pennsylvania discusses the 2018 budget. upcoming hearings on the alleged russian interference in the 2016 elections. the republican health care bill. then, kathleen sebelius joins to repeal andon
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